Want a rocket bunny FRS?

"YSI-what can brown do for you" (ysi-what-can-brown-do-for-you) 01/16/2014 at 01:16 • Filed to: None

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!!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! (he has a custom exhaust, but that is it. Plus that is useless without a tune) slightly wider wheels with giant spacers, and a coilover kit which probably breaks your back? What, you don't? Why not?

For the same price you can have a brand new FRS with a full exhaust, plus tune, plus wheels and tires, plus coilovers, and LCA. Now mind you this is all new as well. If you get parts used(like I did) you can totally get a better deal. It will be faster than this car in the straights and corners.

33 grand for a car with limited appeal, CP if I have ever seen it. I don't understand his plan. You can buy a Rocket Bunny kit for 5 grand and a new FRS for 25K. . . so why would you get this? This turned into quite the rant. Anyway, here is a video he made.

Scorpio GTX1 > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 01:26

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Labour on all that plus the extra parts would easily surpass five grand. This guy is losing money. A lot.

Dsscats > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 01:28

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I watched the video. I'm not sure if I think this guy is a douche.....

YSI-what can brown do for you > Scorpio GTX1 01/16/2014 at 01:30

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Well he did put CCWs on it, which are pretty damn expensive. The car must have been 40 to 45 grand total. Even still. He lost out on making it one fast machine. JDL has a twin scroll set up for around 5 grand, total(with everything to make the car drivable with tires, wheels, brakes, and such) it should be around the same price but with 500hp!!!

Basically all I am trying to say is. Don't buy it, make your own but without the kit!

YSI-what can brown do for you > Dsscats 01/16/2014 at 01:30

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Right?!?! I didn't want to say anything, but I got the same exact vibe.

Mathias Rios > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 01:31

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In my opinion this car is ruined. The rear flares mean MAJOR body work to make the car anywhere near stock. Bleh.

Edit: let me rephrase that because it seems a little harsh. After watching the video I realize that this car is someone's project/ pride and joy, which they said they loved. Not sure why it's up on craigslist. It looks like quality work and I sure as hell wouldn't have the guts to take a metal cutter to my new FRS.

Dsscats > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 01:34

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Oh MAN yeah. Doesn't seem like one of those people who actually made the money to build the car. Or has taste.

Bird > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 01:35

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Looks like he refinished those wheels...so probably got got a decent deal...

Why waste so much energy worrying about somebody else's car?

Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 01:35

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I'm never a fan of modified cars, but like modifying it is changing the car to how you would want it right? This is what that guy wants, and he's going to have a difficult time finding someone that has the same -throws up a little bit- decorating taste as he does, or he'll have to sell it to someone that's willing to take a hit and change this back to a usable car.

Scorpio GTX1 > Dsscats 01/16/2014 at 01:36

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Not sure if douche is the right word. More like dipshit.

Scorpio GTX1 > Dsscats 01/16/2014 at 01:39

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Well his wing said "#MOM'SMONEY" on the back, so it's fairly safe to assume he didn't pay for this build, nor the 28 other cars he's had in the past. I had to laugh when he talked about "budgeting." I don't think that's an issue with this guy.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Mathias Rios 01/16/2014 at 01:39

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Neither would, nor would I. Unless the car has 500hp, there is no need for a wide body. Hell even if it does have 500 hp it still doesn't need a widebody. He is getting attention and although the car is striking, it is calling unneeded attention to the fact that is not as fast as it looks. Basically it is an expensive ricemobile !

Scorpio GTX1 > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 01:40

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That's sure as hell not how I'd spend 45 grand. I'm thinking more along the lines of a Lotus and several sets of tires.

Dsscats > Scorpio GTX1 01/16/2014 at 01:41

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HAHAHAHAHA. SO true.

Dsscats > Scorpio GTX1 01/16/2014 at 01:42

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I'd say both.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Dsscats 01/16/2014 at 01:42

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Taste is pretty subjective to be fair. He does have good choice in wheels BUT they wheels do not look very good on the car.

I wonder where he did get the money? He looks about my age, and even I couldn't full afford this car(parents helped me out by paying for part of it, and I am very thankful), and 500 dollar mods take a few months for me to buy.

Mathias Rios > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 01:43

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Yeah, as far as I can see, he bolted on a few fenders, put some nice wheels, camber'd it, put a ridiculous dildo-shifter that seems to be all too common now, and a big ass spoiler and that's it. I think this guy is using his radiator to pretend that he has an intercooler too...

YSI-what can brown do for you > Bird 01/16/2014 at 01:44

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I don't know. Like I don't know what annoys me about this car. Any other Rocket Bunny FRS is alright, but something about this one annoys me. Maybe cause it is for sale, and I am thinking about all the things that could be done with a new FRS for the same price.

NoahthePorscheGuy > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 01:45

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Is rocket bunny the name for a common body kit on a FRS? I see it mentioned somewhat often but was confused about the origins.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Scorpio GTX1 01/16/2014 at 01:45

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Yeah I guess so. Then again, if you want a great daily driver and a fairly good track day car. A turbo FRS with reasonable boost is always a good option.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna 01/16/2014 at 01:46

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He cut the fenders off the stock car!! So this might be a problem when going back to stock.

YSI-what can brown do for you > NoahthePorscheGuy 01/16/2014 at 01:49

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Yup, it is made by Tra Kyoto. They make the Rocket Bunny kit for many cars. My favorite being the S13 Silvia. The problem though, is that the cars are generally more show than go. But when they are go oriented they are badass!! Like this 500hp beast!

YSI-what can brown do for you > Mathias Rios 01/16/2014 at 01:56

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Woah dude, dildo shifter? That shit is JDM as Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. How dare you insult it!

Mathias Rios > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 01:57

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That's what it looks like haha. In the video he was even shifting by the base of the shifter not even touching the "dildo" part.

Dsscats > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 02:01

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Haha, his daddy is a lawyer, but "I swear, I make my own money (by taking out the trash and doing the laundry)."

YSI-what can brown do for you > Dsscats 01/16/2014 at 02:04

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How did you find this out? Are you the guy?

YSI-what can brown do for you > Mathias Rios 01/16/2014 at 02:06

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He is not one for a hasty shift. He strokes it into gear.

Aaron James > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 03:16

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I've always thought bolt on fender flares look horrible. Straight out of JC Whitney horrible. Bro has a sweet neck beard though.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Aaron James 01/16/2014 at 03:22

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You are not alone. I cannot stand bolt on fenders. On a road car they are unnecessary. Neck beards are also an abomination. Luckily my family grows some badass beards.

Aaron James > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 03:31

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Everything about the video is comical though. How he talks about all the hard work and planning (7 months) that went into the 3 day build, all he had to sacrifice, (2 whatevers, his girlfriend, and Gasp, his passion for cars) and that he's only building it for him and doesn't care what anyone thinks, but then puts it up for sale as soon as it's done. They are trying way to hard to make this a human interest piece when it's just a less than average body mod with little thought or skill involved.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Aaron James 01/16/2014 at 03:36

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Yeah it needs more function and less form. Plus putting on a body kit isn't even that hard!! I did like the one shot from behind the car though. It really helped show how small far the wheels are from the car. How big are those spacers!!!!

Aaron James > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 03:54

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I can only assume that it will destroy the handling of the car on top of adding extra stress to the suspension components and wheel bearings from having the geometry so out of whack. So I guess destroying the best thing about the car, it's handling, is somehow a good thing to waste mommies money on. I can almost bet that this kid showed his mom a bunch of overhaulin episodes and told her how successful Chip Foose is and that if she subsidizes his car builds long enough then after wasting a couple hundred thousand of her hard earned dollars he will have made a name for himself. Then he can charge people to mod their cars and he won't be the failure that his parents are so worried he'll become.

Squid > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 04:36

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Nope, not even giving half a shit about this. . .

Why the fuck do you put a huge fucking wing on your car and then say "BUILT TO PARK" on the underside? What the fuck is that shit? Its like saying "Hey guys, I really love cars but I just took the greatest cheap car out on the market right now and totally ruined it for you. I want to sell it. Pay me money so I don't lose my ass on it, and by the way the fenders are all cut the fuck up bro. Don't worry about going around corners, you go super slow in parking lots. . ."

I really get that there are different strokes for different folks, but don't offend me by saying you added value to this car. And what the fuck is up with the dildo shifters? I honestly don't understand that one, do they want more hate than they already get? I mean shit, I grew up in the Fast and the Furious hey day, when it was neon this and wing that and check out that body kit here. But all show and no go will always get a hearty belly laugh from me, preferably within ear shot of the owner.

case in point, from his ad:

Also he has 25 mm spacers, according to his ad. Plus this guy is an entitled douche.

Fred (FreddsterExprs) > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 04:42

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Why would you slap one a huge ass bodykit before having any power mods? That's just retarded. If he would have just stanced it I would have understood, but a fender flare kit? Come on.

Dsscats > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 09:21

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No, it was just I half hearted, I-really-need-to-go-to-sleep joke

Kugelblitz > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 09:39

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I like the color.

N/A POWAAAHH > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 09:44

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That's a lot of cars for someone who's only 20. Plus having 2 srt4s at the same time seems a little much.

Casper > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 11:29

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Fast is subjective. For instance at 400 HP I still wouldn't really think an FR-S/BRZ is really fast simply because my perspective is centered around motorcycle performance. I don't look at my cars as being comparable unless they are breaking into the sub 3 second 0-60 range/cover the 1/4 in sub 12 second range... which starts to require very specialized cars vs a basically setup bike.

For this guy, he may very well think it was fast enough the way it was and wasn't concerned about more speed, but just better cornering. Heck, he maybe full poser and not care at all whether the mods he did improved the car at all.

Casper > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 11:36

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Unless you are boosting the FR-S/BRZ you won't be making enough power to really care either way. I would just be happy to stiffen the car up and make it less "bouncy". Give it some more rebound, cut the flex in the chassis, beef up the brakes, and give it some serious rubber.

After that I would come back and worry about more power... and it would be in the form of a small turbo or super charger to kill the weird dip the FA engine has mid power band.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Casper 01/16/2014 at 11:44

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Well with 450hp the FRS has a better power to weight ratio then a Z06 corvette, Porsche 911 turbo. If it had better traction at the rear it could probably do an 11 second quarter mile, as of now they do extremely low 12s.

But yes, compared to bike standards it would get beaten in a straight line, but so would most cars. You are going to need Lambos, Ferraris, and Paganis to keep up and even then, they may lose as well.

Casper > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 11:48

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Yes, but that's why I'm not overly impressed with power figures. I'm much more interested in power to weight and cornering/braking performance. Which is why I say it's subjective.

I could make a BRZ/FR-S fast enough for me to think it's really fast, but I believe at that point it would ruin the purpose of the car. Cars with that kind of power need a lot of supporting modifications to actually perform in accordance with their power, and those modifications would start to drastically reduce the character of the car. I think the twins would be perfect somewhere around 300 HP with the other mods I listed, but I wouldn't say they were fast. I would say they were well matched and balanced.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Casper 01/16/2014 at 11:55

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The problem with FI is that it is expensive. The superchargers are 4 grand and that is without an exhaust. Turbos are a bit more expensive.

Plus you can take the dip out of the car with some UEL headers and a tune. With about a 20hp gain up top(crazy I know). Some people have gotten up to 200whp with just 93 octane. With base around 165 to 175ish.

Casper > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 12:02

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That's just a trade off. Uncorking exhaust to gain top end HP just trades mid range torque for a higher peak. A metered amount of back pressure on an NA car is there to help build mid range. The only time a completely uncorked exhaust will benefit the car is if it's a track car that will be flat out most of the time or turbo car that has the turbo providing back pressure. FI actually adds direct power.

If I just take a BRZ from the dealership, flash a tune, and hook it to an over estimating dyno, I will get a massive gain too. These people gaining these figures are also doing so on very optimistic dynos like Mustang dynos and with trade off tunes. If you compare a chart like that one you linked to one like this of a stock car you can clearly see where he borrowed the torque from.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Casper 01/16/2014 at 12:04

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300hp is pretty much the sweet spot. It is just enough power to make the car faster, without struggling with it on every corner. Anything after 400 really needs more rubber then the fenders can fit(this is when a widebody kit might be useful, like the grey one above with 700hp).

Casper > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 12:10

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Yeah, and it really needs a much better suspension. You would probably be $7,000 into suspension to really make an FR-S usable with 400 HP... and I would have a cage. The chassis wasn't designed for 100 MPH+ collisions with barriers like high performance cars that started life with high speed potential.

Not to mention it feels like the FR-S/BRZ aerodynamics are poor over 100 MPH.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Casper 01/16/2014 at 12:21

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Wait, Mustang dynos show inflated figures? I thought it was Dynojets that did that. . . as you can see I am fairly inexperienced with looking at dynos.

Either way, I want to say they aren't borrowing torque from else where. People getting a tune generally get a better torque curve. You aren't really losing anything anywhere, you just get more torque everywhere!

Casper > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 12:26

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Well any dyno can actually read high or low. They all have to be calibrated and the numbers have to be corrected for certain variables. Singling out Mustang dynos wasn't really fair as I have seen all of them give crazy numbers if they aren't tuned frequently. Mustangs load the car to simulate road force, so they should be lower... but because of that many people tune down the resistance to make people feel better about the numbers making them inaccurate because there is already correction applied to numbers.

The first chart you linked was an obvious loss of low range torque, but the other thing you are seeing is gearing differences. The reason it's not a good idea to do wheel HP numbers is because you aren't getting a real number. All you are doing is measuring torque and extrapolating HP based on it. Torque changes with ratios of gearing. Gearing isn't limited to transmissions or differentials, but also tire diameters and deformation. That's also other factors that cause changes.

The only way to get real numbers is to take a car with no other modifications and run it without x part, then run it again with only changing x part. Get a back to back comparison with note of temperature for each run and humidity, then going back and doing it repeatedly. That or run just the engine on the dyno and focus on direct output of the engine in a controlled room.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Casper 01/16/2014 at 12:27

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Ohlins makes a set of coilovers for these cars. They have made suspension parts for Lambos, Paganis, and for lots of street bikes. They also do a lot in the way of race car suspension. You can get those for about 4 grand, which would probably do it in terms of coilovers. But there are also a lot of other parts that need to be changed as well, like the LCA for camber adjustment and the toe and so on.

The car has a drag coeffecient of 0.27 but the rear bumper with its pseudo diffuser is just a drag.

Casper > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 12:33

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I saw those Ohlins. They look amazing (like all Ohlins products) but you will be broke by the time you get those, arms to match, camber plates, matched tower braces, sway bars, all the bushings and links, etc.

It would be amazing to drive a car with all the options installed and see how much it felt like it was on rails.

The JDM cars have the panels under them that help reduce drag down to around 0.27, but that's only part of the story. They also should, I say should because I haven't seen a tunnel test yet, create down force.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthr…

YSI-what can brown do for you > Casper 01/16/2014 at 12:39

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Generally speaking, most of the time people do these on 4th gear runs. Don't know about the first dyno but I know the second one was done while using 4th. Both of these were stock before(blue curve) and then they added all the parts on and did a dyno(red curve).

Once again, don't know about the first dudes, but the second graph they definitely use OEM cars.

Casper > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 12:42

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Yeah, 4th gear is usually the closest to 1:1 for most vehicles. In the BRZ for instance though, a manual car has a 1.213 ratio for 4th where an automatic has a 1.0. So that's why they dyno at different values. It's compensation for the final drive difference where the manual has a 3.727 vs the autos 4.1.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Casper 01/16/2014 at 12:55

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I am not planning on getting the Ohlins. Those cost WAY to much for my purposes at least. I am probably going to get something from KW. Probably the V1, maybe the V3 if I have the funds. Along with some LCA, which is need to adjust the camber in the rear. 500 bucks to adjust camber. . .

They probably do. The air below is probably moving somewhat faster than the air over the car. That should create low pressure below the car, but it is fairly high off the ground, so maybe the effect isn't even there.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Casper 01/16/2014 at 13:02

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I think the JDM and maybe the European versions comes with a 3.7 FD. I know the US version of the manual has a 4.1 final drive. The auto also has longer gearing as well. I want to say 1st and 2nd are somewhat the same but 3rd and onward is longer, don't take my word for it cause I am not 100% sure.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Squid 01/16/2014 at 15:03

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I think you basically explained what annoyed me most about the car. It is a show car, he did everything to it to make it look cool. What's more, he says he loves cars but I don't think that is the case.

Concidering that he is 20 and has owned 20 cars that means he has had nearly 5 cars per year. He goes through them like they are nothing. Now, I don't know about you, but that doesn't sound like you love cars, that sounds more like you buy them and once you get bored you leave them.

This would also be fine if this was his money, but something tells me it isn't. First, he is 20. Second, he is living with his parents. Third, the whole car with kit costs 45k. NOW, tell me what 20 year old is making 45k a year? Not me. And you know what, it would be fine if his parents helped buy him the car, or even bought the whole thing, but he says that this "build" was a lot of hard work, and took him 7 months of planning. I don't know. . . that just annoyed me.

TwoFortified > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/16/2014 at 15:16

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Didn't watch the vid, but 2 things:

A) Rocket Bunny is awesome. They make awesome shit for a lot of different awesome cars. If I wasn't such a goddamned cheapskate, I'd buy my kit from them

B) At 33K, yeah, CP

deeznutz12386 > YSI-what can brown do for you 10/08/2015 at 14:21

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bro who cares what he does. not everyone is about racing and speed. some people are more about style and looks. its his own vehicle so he did what he wants to it. no one cares about speed. because in the end people are gonna break their necks over the looks of the car... not the speed

ricky808blakes > YSI-what can brown do for you 09/30/2016 at 22:08

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im a 20 yo making 60k per year starting off on my own all i can say is your a 20 yo that doesnt make that cause your lazy not good with your money or you just dont know what real work is bud

Collin > Squid 12/27/2017 at 16:33

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Clearly you don’t know shit about cars.. @squid, The negative camber and 25 mm spacers allow a wider base and help keep traction around the track. I learned what a wing was when I was 8 like you too but when your shitting on a car for just that clearly your not car smart. Also looks in a car are important... you don’t want an ugly ass car even if it car race, that being said it is important to have a fast car. Give the guy a break unless you can back up your points with info. Let me know when you grow up and move out of mommys house, maybe you’ll have learned a couple things about cars.

DriftKing > YSI-what can brown do for you 01/13/2018 at 11:34

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Knowing the BR-Z/FR-S for a while, a giant big ass “Fuck you” GT wing is not exactly what you want in a BR-Z/FR-S. The ducktail rocket bunny v3 spoiler looks amazing on it.